Comments on: MISANDRY – Male Resistance to the MRM https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/ Nerds bite back! Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:18:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Ginkgo https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1361 Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:48:39 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1361 “Except that contemporary feminism is a lead proponent of male oppression.”

Exactly. It is the the most active form of traditionalism today, the one with the broadest appeal.

” At it’s core, it’s been conquered by upperclass population control groups with an interest of controlling labor and profiting from prisons.”

At its birth it is an upperclass movement. There is absolutley no inconsistency between the pankhurst’s agiation for upper-class female suffrage and their eagerness to hand out white feathers.

” with some theory that gets turned into a dogma. We just care about mens issues and would like to improve their situation.”

Sorry, but it never works that way. Some kind of theoretical frameowrk is necessary to organzie people’s efforts if only to prevent them from working against their own aims. Who can you tell if yoyu are getting where you wnat to go unless you identify what that place is?

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By: Feminist Nonsense https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1360 Mon, 10 Mar 2014 07:29:52 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1360 “I prefer to frame it as a rights movement against an “ism.” We shouldn’t think of the MRA as reverse feminism, with some theory that gets turned into a dogma. We just care about mens issues and would like to improve their situation.”

Except that contemporary feminism is a lead proponent of male oppression. From family courts to domestic violence law to “if you have consensual sex with your wife when the two of you are drunk you’re a rapist…”

Feminist ideology is dedicated to assembling an apartheid state of punishing men for a system that younger men, especially, had nothing to do with. At it’s core, it’s been conquered by upperclass population control groups with an interest of controlling labor and profiting from prisons. Feminism abolishes love and creates business deals out of relationships. Instead of affectionate relationships, women are taught to think about relationships solely in terms of power relationships.

Feminism is misandry as it is today. They used to have serious issues to contend with. I firmly believe women should be allowed to pursue their own goals and futures as they please, but they’ve taken on such a dedicated philosophy of hating men that it’s pretty hard to want to be generous to their interests.

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By: Misandria: Resistencia ante el Movimiento por los Derechos de los Hombres https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1359 Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:36:22 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1359 […] Yo lo entiendo.” Ciertamente ella lo entiende. Necesitas leer todo el post para ver que tan profundamente lo entiende. Algo que se me ocurrió ya que preguntaste donde estaban los ADHs en los 1800s es que sería interesante comparar la resistencia de las mujeres al movimiento de los derechos de las mujeres, empezando con el movimiento por el sufragio pero no está restringido a eso, la resistencia al Movimiento por los Derechos de los Hombres viene por parte de los hombres. La gente se resiste al cambio porque amenaza posiciones establecidas de poder o de seguridad. El poder puede que sea real o simplemente el poder del confort psicológico. Así que comparemos ambos. La resistencia de los hombres parece caer en dos categorías: Los machos-cabezas huecas quienes tratan con desdén cualquier discusión de problemas de los hombres como lloriqueo no-masculino. Estos son los idiotas quienes acallan a las víctimas masculinas de violación (1) y quienes tratan con desdén a las mujeres que violan niños al decir que los niños tuvieron suerte. http://pjmedia.com/blog/ask-dr-helen-can-a-man-be-raped-by-a-woman/ Entonces están los caballeros blancos, quienes minimizan los problemas de los hombres porque sólo las mujeres son las merecedoras de preocupación. Esta gente cree en el apartheid de empatía. Básicamente hacerse los machos. El subconjunto de estos caballeros son chicos quienes se enorgullecen de ser protectores de la sagrada feminidad en contra de todos los otros hombres, todos son unos brutos, con nada entre esas mujeres frágiles y los horrores… Un subconjunto especial de estos son los pedestalistas. Ellos aman poner a mujeres en pedestales, alabando a las mujeres a los cielos como si fueran una forma más alta de vida. Las mujeres son más cuidadoras, más intuitivas, más profundas, si sólo las mujeres gobernasen el mundo todo sería pacífico… Entonces están los complacientes, quienes piensan que las cosas están bien tal y cual como están. Estos son los que todavía no han sido removidos de la vida de sus hijos por una ex esposa a quien el sistema criminal y el sistema de las cortes de familia las privilegian con cada ventaja posible. Estos son los tipos quienes insisten que no hay nada mal con la circuncisión porque ellos fueron circuncidados y no conocen nada mejor. Y entonces están los tipos quienes se benefician de mantener a los otros hombres en mala situación. Esto es el kyriarcado. Ahora miremos a la resistencia femenina al sufragio y al movimiento por los derechos de las mujeres. Hay aquellas quienes pensaron que toda esta agitación no era digna de damas. Las damas verdaderas no querían nada que se relacione con la política, ni siquiera el votar. También están ahí las complacientes, las que sabían que tenían un buen trato cuando lo veían. El país había sido devastado por la Guerra Civil en la cual los muertos por la guerra y los amputados eran mayormente hombres y no mujeres – las mujeres habían sido casi completamente exentas de eso. Además hay que considerar la escala de labores masculinas en la cual, los hombres morían en las minas y trabajaban en fabricas en condiciones innombrables – si no has leído “La Jungla”, es hora de remediar la brecha en tu educación – y sus mujeres sabían que a pesar que su lugar era duro en el hogar, era mucho más seguro y más cómodo que lo que sus hombres tenían que enfrentar. Y entonces estaban esas mujeres en la cima, escondiéndose detrás de sus hombres gobernando el mundo, oprimiendo a las mujeres. Entonces la pregunta y le pregunto a los comentaristas, hasta qué grado estas formas de resistencia en la cultura se parecen la una a la otra y en qué manera difieren y porqué. Gracias por sus comentarios. http://www.genderratic.com/p/1701/misandry-%E2%80%93male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-9406 […]

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By: OperatorOscillation https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1358 Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:09:45 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1358 “I do not think it is particularly productive to frame gender politics in terms of a men’s movement fighting against a women’s movement”

I prefer to frame it as a rights movement against an “ism.” We shouldn’t think of the MRA as reverse feminism, with some theory that gets turned into a dogma. We just care about mens issues and would like to improve their situation.

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By: RocketFrog https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1357 Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:43:29 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1357 OO: I am not sure I would agree that feminism is “the most” powerful constituent in the left, but it is a powerful force on the left. And this does leave some left-wing men stuck in a situation where they are sort of gender politically homeless.

At least in my culture, feminism transcends left and right; there are lots of self-identified right-wing feminists. I think that for the MRM to gain any traction (in fact, for it to gain any legitimacy as a “movement for men”), then it has to be able to do something similar.

But to be perfectly honest, I do not think it is particularly productive to frame gender politics in terms of a men’s movement fighting against a women’s movement (or vice versa). At the moment it might be unfortunately inevitable. Hopefully our descendants will laugh at us.

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By: Stoner With a Boner https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1356 Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:17:42 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1356 as far as TGMP….

they have a nazi sympathizer as a contributor…..

oooops, that’s an ad hominem….

He just “rubs elbows with them”

Jack Donovan….

No thanks TGMP-I don’t want your brand of masculinity…..

I take it with pride if pissing of Amanda Marcotte and some white nationalists doesn’t match your definition of a good man….

http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/the-good-life-the-way-of-men-interview-with-jack-donovan/#comments

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By: OperatorOscillation https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1355 Fri, 20 Jul 2012 02:23:04 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1355 “I like men’s rights, it is the men’s rights activists I do not like – they are so unlike men’s rights.”

Here are some things to keep in mind. Feminism is not only an element of the left, but it has a lot of power within it, and it is probably the most powerful constituent within the left. So when feminism throws its weight around, bullying leftist men into not caring about their own issues, well who does that leave left to care about men’s issues? Right wing extremists, white supremacists (innately divisive towards men), religious conservatives, and then the feminists will say “oh look, it’s just a bunch of conservatives and libertarians in the MRA”, a self fulfilling prophecy.
So what should we do about the right wing extremists? Fight back? No. Ignore them, don’t associate with them, and instead keep telling left wing men why they should care about their own issues. That’s the only way to do it.

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By: Ginkgo https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1354 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:53:20 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1354 Daniel, you may take every word here and translate and use it as you see fit, and spread it as widely as oyu like. Y muchisimas gracias por todos sus esfuerzos.

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By: Ginkgo https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1353 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:49:58 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1353 I have told you to stick around here.

I go back and forth with them, but I have very low expectations of that place. Any place whose project is to deal with men\\\’s issues through feminism is just not serious and should be taken as serious.

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By: Daniel Martínez https://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/2012/07/16/misandry-male-resistance-to-the-mrm/#comment-1352 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:47:38 +0000 http://www.genderratic.com/?p=1701#comment-1352 Good evening.

I enjoy this site and I read it very often. I want to ask for permission to translate all the articles I can find into spanish and to translate them into my blog.

I wont do anything without the permission of the writers.

I will wait for your reply.

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