IT’S SHIT LIKE THIS, FEMINISTS – Wonder why women are reluctant to call themselves feminists? Try listening to them!


Ever since studies began coming out showing that large numbers, majorities even, of young women are reluctant to call themselves feminists, the subject has attracted comment.

Most recently Ally Fogg has posed the question in about as serious a form as I have seen. Here he is discussing a post by Laurie Penny on the issue. Go read the whole post there because it is too intricate and well-constructed to excerpt. The comment section is expecially good on this on, and don’t miss Nico’s excellent comment at March 23, 2013 at 7:41 am. She says quite a lot in what is actually a short space.

And then I ran across this post that takes it to a higher level of dudgeon.

And if you’re a man whose motto is “Listen to the women!” it would behoove you to take what I have to say into account because I am one of many. People are free to determine what they want and need, and I’m happy to do everything I can to support them. On the other hand, I feel that feminism has fallen apart completely. Women are not a minority; educated middle-class Western women are not oppressed; and when prominent feminist men attack successful women as gender-traitors and chill girls, that’s the end of the line for me. Why? Because they’re being sexist and encouraging victim mentality. And that’s the last thing women need.

“We piped you for you but you would not sing, we sang for you but you would not listen.”

… or words to that effect.

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  • These are great links. I like the second one more.

    “Unfortunately, this new wave of feminism leads to a type of paternalism that is both patronizing to women and inherently misogynistic. It plays into the stereotype…”

  • Hey, Gingko. Thanks for mention, above.

    Ya know the day after I posted that comment, I went back and read it and thought, WTF?? I thought it was barely readable. I know what I was trying to say, but it came out kind of… I’m not sure. In any case, I think I managed to turn it into a more readable piece (though on the tl;dr side), if you’re interested, which of course I hope you are. 🙂


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